VTEC controller

[95AccordVTEC]

I have a 95 accord with VTEC and I've been looking in to vtec controllers. I've heard good things, but I just wanted to know what you guys thought about em. I don't wanna spend $120 on that unless I know it's gonna do something. I've already done weight reductions, and I got an H22a VTEC on the way, but I need something to make my car faster. I'd thought about a turbo - but if I can't afford a $120 VTEC controller, then $3k on a turbo isn't gonna happen any time soon. I was just wondering what you guys reccommend in the aspect of cheap performance mods. Thanks.


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[vasponger]

wow you got your shit fully planned!

vtec is a complicated thing, and i would be messing with it too many things need to happen for it to work. i mean if it the controller to fine tune and adjust it thats one thing, id stay far away from something that you can just turn it on when you want.

[matts]

vtec is also fairly unnecessary. i know, we all love it, i do too, but in actuallity honda created vtec as a way to save gas. in the low rpms, when you use less horsepower, and more torque the vtec controller says to let less gas in. then at a certain rpm the cams open up, and more gas is let in, the faster rpms burn more gas, and make more power. unless you want to waste gas to gain a little more power it's really not going to do much for you. if you were able to control the air/fuel ratio with the same device that would be better.

[95AccordVTEC]

So if you guys say "no-go" on the vtec controller - what would you recommend for a good perfomance boost? Let me tell you what I currently have, or am getting soon...

I have...
Intake w/bypass valve
muffler
high flow cat
header wrap
all strut tower braces (front, rear, lower tie bar)

I'm getting...
H22a VTEC motor
lowering springs for cornering
maybe new headers.

that's pretty much all, performance-wise, so if you guys have any ideas, I'd appreciate em. You can check out my site below for all my specs on my car, and pictures and whatnot. Let me know what you guys think.

[vasponger]

cam gear, pulleys, upgrade fuel system..

[matts]

you might want to go with the whole cat-back exhaust rather than just a muffler, especially with the added power of the h22, and the air flow gained by the intake.

[95AccordVTEC]

I don't just have a muffler - I have a high flow catalytic converter too. I'm debating whether or not to keep my resonator in, because I know it kills 5hp, but I also need back pressure, because that kind of thing is important in 4cyls. I have almost 2" piping as it is, which is good - cause 2.5" piping just increases flow resistance by adding surface area. I want bigger headers...but it doesn't seem like enough of a difference for $300+. I'm just like - I want it to go really fast for not a whole lot of $$. Honestly - I was looking at performance cams by Skunk2, and I like em even though they're like $600 each. The most obvious solutions seem to be headers, fuel rail, new injectors, fuel regulator, etc - just stuff associated with the fuel system, and getting all that gas out of my car....I also noticed that I'm losing a lot of power through my tranny. I have a stupid POS 4spd auto, which is getting replaced by the H22's 5spd with a quaife LSD. I got a gtech to monitor my power gain, and I noticed that I'm running 120hp at the ground (after factoring in wind resistance, load haul, ground friction, and my crappy tranny)...I'm losing near 30% of my power through all that stuff. I should be near 185hp at the motor, but I'm running 120hp at the ground. I need more efficient power...hopefully the new motor and tranny will fix it, but I'm gonna need a good clutch, cause I'm gonna tear it up. Anyway - thanks for the help guys!

[matts]

i thought that 2.5" piping was too big because it slows air flow, buy having greater volume, but either way its the same thing. if you are looking for something to do, your h22 might be begging to get rid of the air faster. i know some of the guys here have gotten custom piping for pretty cheap.

[vasponger]

i got my stainless steal 2.25 pipes and 18in resonator from accordinglydone for 260? but that was w/ a group buy so maybe about 300 plus 120 megan racing muffler off ebay and i love it

[jdmaccordbo!916]

i was thinking of jsut getting all new pipes run all the way down my car again.. mandrel bent but go just a tad bit bigger than the stock pipes.. an get a new catalic converter an so on.. but i dont want no fart box exchaust.. i want something throughty yet toned way down.. i was thinkin maybe the sir-T set up or something...

[95AccordVTEC]

I have a firball style muffler and it sounds f-ing amazing. It's very deep! I love how it sounds, but if you want that throaty v-8 sound....you're missing 4 cylinders. lol

[jdmaccordbo!916]

if you want that throaty v-8 sound....you're missing 4 cylinders. lol nobody said that i wanted it to sound like a v-8 i just said that throughty sound, you know like how the intake sounds when you are full throttle but you dont hear it at all when it is not opened up... thats all i ment by that... im not trying to atract cops, i want performancce not a milkshake...lol

[takezo]

yeah.. don't forget the cams.. I heard Toda Cams are good. For exhaust, I really like Remus Sportexhaust, I'm talking bout the original one!!! It cost bout 600. Got nice deep sound but not loud. Not the 30 bucks ebay crap Remus style...

[jdmaccordbo!916]

toda makes cams for the 5th gen accords.?? do you know how much they are...

[myGrub]

It's a fallacy that you need back-pressure. Back-pressure robs power, but when you go 2.5" instead of 2.25", what actually happens is that the exhaust cools down enough to slow it down on its way through. the hotter the exhaust is, the faster it flows. That's the reason why you shouldn't go more than 2 - 2.25" on n/a motors. Turbos, the biger the better is the rule. No engine needs back-pressure, whether you have 4 or 8 cylinders.

You're thinking VTEC controller - but how about something like an Apexi Power FC - especially with all these mods you've got and gonna get? This thing will adjust everything - air/fuel mixtures, ignition timing. VTEC controllers are no good if you're keeping your stock cams.

[ElementOfRed]

According to dyno tests that were done on my car, i gained 6 horsepower by putting the silencer in the muffler.

I have a 97 accord style exhaust on my 94 with a custom 3inch pipe that goes into the muffler which has an exit opening of 4 inches.

so.....what does that mean? ......

[mole054]

nobody said that i wanted it to sound like a v-8 i just said that throughty sound, you know like how the intake sounds when you are full throttle but you dont hear it at all when it is not opened up... thats all i ment by that... im not trying to atract cops, i want performancce not a milkshake...lol



I got the Greddy EVO exhaust, and while the muffler may be big enough for me to stick my head in it :D , it sounds really good. Not really loud, but very deep and throaty. it sounds really good. ya might wanna look into the EVO.

[jdmaccordbo!916]

good lookin out.. im going to look into that one, but what i think im going to do is order the complet echaust set up from the sir accord, headers back... depending on how much it is.. i know i wont get much if any gains, but at least it will look :D

[Infini Omega]

2.25 is good for na im running 2.5 na but mines a v6 and it sounds very similar to a lambo. that kinda low ringing sound i think its because its quad i dunno. no makes exhausts for my car so me have all custom.

[Infini Omega]

nipplicious

[vasponger]

custom is the best! :D well mines not totally custom, just put put together, actually.... my megan racing muffler isnt even a well know company yet, so only my resonator and thats magnaflow

[Infini Omega]

SOHC POWER!!!! BOOO VTEC!!! BOOO!!! hahaha

[jdmaccordbo!916]

resinater, hehe whats that, i cut mine out.. big gygantic hole in it.. now its just a pipe there..

[Infini Omega]

i want my car to be pretty quiet

[jdmaccordbo!916]

ya mine is quiet unless im going all out. then all you hear is the insane intake.... bbwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa.. . hehehe thats aobut how loud it gets at times... i dont want an insane echaust at all. i just want simple an efective.. thats why i wanna order the sir accord one..

[Infini Omega]

after my engine is done its gonna be all engine and turbo sounds hehe

[jdmaccordbo!916]

i guess i will just never understand why ppl want there car to sound like a fuckin blender.. that just sounds terrible to me... (shit i sound so old with that coment..)

[Infini Omega]

i hate how 4 cyl rattle for some reason and go really high pitch

[jdmaccordbo!916]

ah thats the sound of the little engine that could.. all you are hearing is that little 4banger trying its hardest to keep the driver happy....

[Infini Omega]

i hear that a lot and its really annoying because not only is it high pitched it is really loud

[jdmaccordbo!916]

ya if it was all motor, an no loud ass echaust then it would almost be worth listening to.. but i have to shut my mind down when i hear somehting ricey like that... yang yang yang spuuudderereee scrrreeaaaachchchchchch YAAAAANNNGGG YAAAANNNNNGGGG YYYAAAAAANNNNNGGGGGGGG..... thats what i hear...

[vasponger]

mines like that, but its only cause its an auto and allways changing gears and shit, thats why ive been driving in d3 untill i get on the highway, im gonna take out the silencers 1 day and wake the neighbors hehehe

[jdmaccordbo!916]

well that is one way to piss the neighbors off for sure...lol

[Infini Omega]

hahahahaaha

[jdmaccordbo!916]

im just curious though about something.. what is the point on having a silencer on your echaust "the hole is the same size as stock" so why not just keep the stock on there instead, if you are having the silencer on... putting an aftermarket echaust on an then keeping the silincer on as well, is like trying to cover your mouth when your about to puck.. it just aint gonna happen...

[myGrub]

The silencer gives you the option of shutting the exhaust up when you just can't be bothered with the noise, but it let's you open it up when you want max power. I think Gemballa make an exhaust for Porsches that let you adjust this in the car - pretty cool.

In regards to the high pitched rattles, that'll be the all-alloy engine with solid lifters, Officer. Unlike the cast iron anvils - sorry, engine blocks our v8 cousins run, Hondas make all alloy engines for lightness, and solid instead of hydraulic lifters for high rpms. durability. But if it's really loud, take it to your dealer and get them to adjust the valves lashes I think it's called - Honda engines do periodically need this because the lifters are solid.

[95AccordVTEC]

I have a 95 accord, and I don't like how my muffler looks on the stock bumper, because there's no cutout in the bumper...it looks horribly tacky IMO, so I was thinking of taking it to Meineke to have them hid my muffler by either angling it upwards and sliding it back under the car more, or getting it shortened back closer to the rear axle...I can post a picture eventually, but I'm too lazy to do it now. lol - if anyone has a 95 accord (or other year accords, I'm sure), then you know what I mean. Anyway - if anyone has suggestions on hiding the muffler without sacraficing power, or anything like that, lemme know. Thanks.

[vasponger]

i think its a bad idea, youll see some cars where the muffler wasnt positioned right and their whole bumper is black, i dont know about moving the whole thing back though

[jdmaccordbo!916]

moving it back might not be a good idea either, i think that it woudl make more heat then you want around the gastank.. that would be a bad thing...

[myGrub]

You can move the muffler back, but it depends on the muffler itself. Is it still the stock muffler or one of those cannonbal mufflers? Mine isn't one of those cannonball ones and it's part of a custom cat-back system. It's actually pretty flat and about the same width as the stockie, but nearly as high or long (it's not a straight-through as it would be too loud for me). I've still got the stock rear bar, but with the rear OEM skirt colour-coded.

The exhaust shop were able to move it back and up a little so you can't see the muffler at all from the side or rear. All anyone can see are my twin square tips. It should still work with the cannonball style mufflers, but they'll probably still stick out at the bottom, and this depends on how long the muffler is as well.

Being nearer the petrol tank wasn't a concern apparently (and I haven't blown up yet, so...)

[jdmaccordbo!916]

well ter you have it.omebody that hs actualy done it.. an it works, so go for it bro.. hid the hideous echaust like you wanted to... :p

[anasowner]

i have the ractive mt602 black fireball and the way the shop mounted it for me is have the engle cut come flush with the rear lower valance and the muffler tucks nicely right in the stock location because of the circular clamp type hangers they used