What else for more hp from my Auto with AEM intake

[wicked95]

Well i wanted to know what could i add to my stock automatic vtec engine for more horsepower. I already have the cold air intake by aem. any other things i could do

[Twistedframe]

Jet engines?

[vasponger]

swap your vtech phone for a vtec engine(you sould fix your engine code) header, exhaust, turbo, engine swap, tourque converter, fuel system,:breath:.......... vafc, nitrous, bore out your block, P&P, remove bumper, better tires, cam gear, cam, pulleys, get rid of a/c and p/s...........................

[wicked95]

well i dont really want to swap engines just add horsepower to my stock.

[Twistedframe]

Yea. Don't swap enginas.. I am pushing over 260hp to the wheel in my 2.2L NON VTEC! The car is naturally aspirated and no NOS. I have taken my time and done things right as far as mods are concerned.. :)

Take your time. Do research, and remember the more air and fuel you can move in and out of the engine, the more power you should get.

You can get assloads of power out of that little powerplant you have, and besides, it's more of a challenge to get that kind of power out of a small 4 cylinder!! It's been fun for me, that's for sure :)

[birdman]

Well i wanted to know what could i add to my stock automatic vtec engine for more horsepower. I already have the cold air intake by aem. any other things i could do



I know for a fact the best mod for your money, especially for the accord would be aftermarket headers. I noticed a lot of torque, and it screams at the mid-high rpm when the v-tec kicks in, when i put my focuz draggers headers. You can also get another intake, short-ram 3"piping, and put a tornado in there. I have a tornado also, and you definitely will feel extra torque and pull. I got 17hp with just the short-ram intake and tornado engine management system. Awesome. Don't even have to push the gas for it to move. It climbs hills by itself. It costs only $70 bucks. Best mod also for your money. just beat a modified GSR the other day.

[Twistedframe]

Yea, I agree. When I put the header on mine, I gained mass power in the midrange rpm area (which is what it is supposed to do)

The things that helped the most (or what was most noticable) were the CAI, Header, Cam, and Porting and Polishing of the head and intake manifold :)

[birdman]

Yea, I agree. When I put the header on mine, I gained mass power in the midrange rpm area (which is what it is supposed to do)

The things that helped the most (or what was most noticable) were the CAI, Header, Cam, and Porting and Polishing of the head and intake manifold :)



Did you ever hear of the tornado management system?

[vasponger]

yes i would never waste money on them, as for the header, the f22b1 i know has a good stock 4-2-1 header, its heavy as fuck though. best one ive noticed was my aem cai. the exhaust gave some more sound and tourqe

[Twistedframe]

Oh yea,.. I used to have 2 of them in my intake.. One in the tip after the filter, and one at the end in front of the throttle body..

The ones I had were the first ones out called SpiralMax Turbo Air Twisters. I bought them after the CAI, and regardless of what anyone says, wow. THEY WORKED! I had added power, but the real bonus was the assload of fuel economy that I gained!!

man, i gained like 3 or 4 mpg off those things! They were awesome..

I recently took them out when doing the headwork, because I noticed that I was starting to pull so much air from all the mods, that they were actually being sucked up into the engine!

There was wear marks where they had slid up a couple of inches, and the one at the TB, was damn near inside it! hahaha

So, needless to say, I was sad to see them go, and the gas mileage, but that's the price you pay for performance!

I am actually going to make a permenant one that will consist of 5 pieces of curved metal strips, that I will adhere to the inside of the CAI tube.

Spiraling air is a much more efficient way for it to travel down that tube.

Here is the website http://www.spiralmax.com/

[vasponger]

hmm.... ohh well im building my turbo f20b no need for an intake :D

[wicked95]

would dc headers be alright
and what else could i do guys

[anasowner]

would putting a fixed fabricated piece of metal in your intake to break up the flow of air and mix it aorund?

[vasponger]

dc headers are great

[PAaccordvtec]

Stick with the f22b1 u can easily get this engine over 200hp. I have been talking with a guy out in cali who owns a shop and is going to help me build up my engine. I have the site if anyone is interested.

[vasponger]

whip it out big boy

[accord387]

Yea. Don't swap enginas.. I am pushing over 260hp to the wheel in my 2.2L NON VTEC! The car is naturally aspirated and no NOS. I have taken my time and done things right as far as mods are concerned.. :)


Im going to have to call b/s on this one, over 260whp on an N/A f22?? show some dyno slips please because 2point6 with his fully built h22a can barely push that.

[Twistedframe]

Wait. Isn't an H22 the 200hp prelude engine??

IT ALREADY HAS 200hp!!! If you can't get a measly 60 more out, then you're doing something wrong.

You want to know how I did it?

COMPRESSION COMPRESSION COMPRESSION

For every point of compression you add, you can expect roughly 20HP!

Mill the head, and add a cam, then see what it does.

I will give all my specs and dyno info when I finish reworking my website.

patience friend :)

BTW- My F22 eats preludes for any meal of the day ;)

[vasponger]

you said 260whp not 260hp. theres a big difference!

[Twistedframe]

oh yea. i meant 2.60whp

[vasponger]

2.60? ummmm

[Twistedframe]

........ ;)

[vasponger]

what the fuck my lawnmower has 2.6whp

[Twistedframe]

WHAT?? What all have you done to it? I get most of the stuff for mine from LawnMowerMod.com and Ebay of course ;p

[vasponger]

there is a f20b lawnmower im looking at and its got the blue cover.

http://www.vandaliarental.com/perl/usedequipment.pl?item=50-066-032&page=standard

[accord387]

you said 260whp not 260hp. theres a big difference!

Exactly, i want to see the non-vtec f22 push 260whp... i dont really care what you do to it just show me it N/A, b/c i've never seen a soch f22b N/A pass like 180hp haha. I'll try and find the mods list of 2point6 to show you so you can see why your not gonna push 260WHP

[vasponger]

hehehehe i know of one that might be close, i dont know what hes pushing but its n/a f22b2 r33accord on here....hes fast :D

[birdman]

260whp. That means your engine must have about 280 plus hp. rims, weight, etc. I've never heard of it. My friend has a 95 accord lx. he's done everything u can possibly do to an accord. He just dyno'd it, and it only had 214.4 hp/192lbs. tq.
n/a no way. has to have turbo or something. There's not many mods you can do that's going to make a lot of horsepower for the f22 motor.

[accord387]

260whp. That means your engine must have about 280 plus hp.

More then that like 300 crank hp

[Twistedframe]

Yep, 299 anyways.

We'll see soon.. I'll definately keep ya posted.

Anyway, I'll let ya know how I do in the race next weekend against that damn passat VR6 : )

He's dead.

[vasponger]

is he modded any? i raced my friends stock passat vr6 and he only beat me by like a car? and i only had a header at the time.

[Twistedframe]

Ya know, I am not sure if he has any mods or not, but I don't think he does. This gal I live next to set it up for me and she thinks that he is stock. All she told me was this guy talks alot of shit and thinks his car's exhaust don't stink. ; )

It doesn't matter anyways, becuase he will most likely get me off the line, but as soon as I wind up in second gear, it's bye bye passat boy.

The other night, I went out for a test drive after hooking up my air/fuel guage, and found a toyota matrix that wanted to play on the highway. We started at 60, and I pulled away from him like he shifted into reverse! After hitting 100, I backed off and about 10 seconds later he comes flying past me at like 90 and I am back down to 65, so I dropped into 3rd and closed the distance of 4 car lengths and steamed past him again with no sweat. -I could see his galfriend sitting in the passenger seat wanting to get out of it and into my car! ; ) hehe

I toy with v6's and 8's all the time on the road, and am NOT scared at all. Considering that's all I will race anymore, cause it's just not worth the ticket racing a damn 4cyl.

[96cordlx]

Hey you guys shouldn't be calling b/s you should be doing research. It is 100% possible to get 280bhp out of a 2.2l SOHC. In fact its possible to get quite a bit more if tuned perfectly. I had a b16 in my old civic and it had 310hp at the flywheel before i droped it in, after that i never got it on a dyno before i sold it, but i am positive that it had at least 280bhp if not 290bhp and it was COMPRESSION COMPRESSION COMPRESSION. So give the guy some credit. And good luck with your race.

[Twistedframe]

Thanks man! It's good that there are others out there that know what I'm talking about here..

The F22 is capable of more output than people think. understandable I guess. But there are actually parts out there for this engine that require a bit more work than just "bolting-it-on" ;) -And those are the ones that you want.

The reason I kept the engine is because it's an accord. It comes with a F22. You change the motor, it's now a prelude with an accord body kit. I wanted to see how powerful I could make a family car!

good times

[96cordlx]

Could you send a list of mods that you have on your f22? I would like to know how you got that power, i've been debating wether to go with high compression on an f22, or a turbo. If you could post them, send them to me @ accordracing512@yahoo.com or im me @ hondapower512 I would really appreciate it Thanks

[Da_VTEC_KiD]

true ..............i see someone with a true accord sprirt up in here :) .....i seen on this forum to much ppl sleep on the f22........ :mad: i called that engine a baby h22..... :p it got everythign the h22 but one less camshft and campully.....well i seen some sick shit done to those engine from around my way..... :eek:

anyway like i sayed if i want a h22 i get a prelude for that
why waste ya time getting an accord......

[96Accord96]

Awesome. Don't even have to push the gas for it to move. It climbs hills by itself.

Lmao... :D

[Twistedframe]

Here's the modlist post I made on another page (Post #5)

http://www.topendmotorsports.com/members/showthread.php?t=438

[vasponger]

buy a f20b then haters! its still an accord :)

[Da_VTEC_KiD]

:rolleyes: i stay with my prelude dream........

[5peedCoupe]

add AEM tru power pulleys.. i have them and u will notice a little more power... aem dyno a 2000 accord i tink (4 cyl) still kinda the same engine as mine and show that it gave 3-5 hp i tink and 5 torque.. u noe that more torque is better or aleast i want more torque.. any help where i can get more torque.. i want to keep F22B1 and have it N/A.. i have AEM intake Short Ram (V2 soon) DC short shifter (much better) DC struts all around... also gonna do ground wires when i get the chance..

[Twistedframe]

Well, way back when about 2.5 years ago when I only had a AEM CAI, DC Header, Bluestreak Resonator, MagnaFlow Catback, and a JET ECU upgrade, I dynoed at 127whp and 138wtq!

Stock Honda's are notorious for being gutless wonders with no torque, and when you actually end up making more tq than hp, you're really happy and everyone else is wanting to know what the hell you did to it!!

-But now, it's a different story. I have done so much to it, I fear I have surpassed it with hp now. :s I originally wanted the car to be a rocket on takeoffs, and it was!! It still is, but I can tell that I have more hp now after getting used to the car over 4 years and learning the way it acts.

So, I guess the moral of the story is: If you only want it to make torque, then only go with the usual engine bolt-ons (stay away from the "lookfast-candy" shit)... It won't help. Instead focus on getting more air in and out of the engine. And if you really, really want torque that bad, then hell, put on a heavier flywheel. CAI, Camgear, Throttlebody Spacer, Resonator(helps with back pressure for takeoffs), Catback.. You should do fine with all that.

[birdman]

Lmao... :D

what is LMAO?????

[vasponger]

127hp at the wheels hmmm. i pretty much had the same stuff except diff exhaust and header but no jet chip at i put 124whp on a mustang dyno in a smoke filled garage.

[Twistedframe]

haha nice. yea, I ran mine at a Mustang Club Dyno-Day.. Needless to say, I was made quite a sport of, as I was the only honda there. There was a Focus that made 108whp, so I didn't feel so bad. (but he had a turbo kit in his trunk, he was doing a baseline)

MoFo's asking me if I wanted them to get behind me and help push, and if I wanted them to wind up my rubberband and shit...

Fakkin' mustang idiots.

Of course these 15 different guys were getting from 250-550hp so whatever.

[Rabbit9]

Here's the modlist post I made on another page (Post #5)

http://www.topendmotorsports.com/members/showthread.php?t=438

Okay, now I'm really interested.

Stop the swag and show us a dyno sheet.

I know full race prepped F22's that aren't making the kind of horsepower you're claiming to have.

I've got everything you have (and then some), and I know that I'm not putting down those numbers.

[quickestNAaccord]

Im going to have to call b/s on this one, over 260whp on an N/A f22?? show some dyno slips please because 2point6 with his fully built h22a can barely push that.
WHo is 2pt6? 260 whp with that mod list... uhm no. twistedframe, you got a dyno sheet? LOL...probably not.

[quickestNAaccord]

I guess nobody has an answer for this.... :mad:

[POS_ACCORD_96]

A resonator? Hmm what exactly is that and isnt backpressure the enemy at higher rpms? Also, does putting on a staight pipe(test pipe) in place of the catalytic converter hurt performance, and yes the engine light comes on because there is no hole for the O2 sensor.

[Liltroy]

Did you guys look at his mod list or the first one on the page he listed?I dont know about 260whp but heres his list and he should be somewhere close to that.

Walbro 255 Lph Fuel Pump AEM Cold Air Intake
Alcohol / Water Injection
DC Sports 4-2-1 Header
MagnaFlow Catback System
Accel 8mm Sparkplug Wires
JetChip ECU Upgrade
MSD SCI Ignition
MSD Blaster Cap
MSD Blaster SS Coil
Denso Iridium Spark Plugs
AEM TruTime Adjustable Cam Gear
Stinger Race Cam
Low Temp 160° Thermostat
Valve cover breather
Cosmo underdrive crank pulley
VENOM Performance Control Module
Port/Polished Head w/Racing Valve Grind and High Compression Chambers
Port/Polished Intake Manifold
Bullfrog BigBore Throttle Body
WeaponR Throttle Rotor
Helix 1" Throttle Body Spacer
AEM Fuel Filter

Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator
AEM High Flow Fuel Rail
Accel 260cc Fuel Injectors

Eibach Sportline Springs
Tokico Gas Struts
Front Strut Tower Bar
Rear Upper and Lower Strut Tower Bars
Khumo KH-11 Tires

Stainless Braided Hose Covers
Split loom wire sleeving
Painted Engine Parts and Skirts
Eyebrows and Pedals
JDM Front Corner Lights
JDM TypeR Grille
Short Shift Adapter
AutoMeter Air/Fuel Ratio Guage
Custom six digit kill switch
Bypassed power steering
Console mounted fire extinguisher

at least I THINK he should be close.Matter oh fact, I 'm copying most of his mods.Soon as I get rich,lol.

[94JDMlover]

With those mods on a SOHC non-VTec 2.2 liter 4 cylinder engine, he should be putting about 200hp to the ground. I, for one, call bullshit. Anybody can make stuff up to sound good on the internet. Show me a dyno slip or shut up. Moreover, show me pictures of the car and engine that's producing this claimed 260whp. There's a local import shop near me that's running a fully race-prepped turbocharged B18C1, and they're only claiming 280whp. You're telling me that those simple all-motor mods are putting a single cam motor near that? Also, all those mods and all that supposed power and torque, but you're still running stock pistons and rods? Man, I can smell that Seattle Bullshit all the way in Cincinnati. I checked out your website. The only dyno sheet you've got posted there shows about 126whp and about 136 ft./lbs, not to mention that neither the car nor the engine look terribly impressive either.

Again, prove it with pictures and dyno slips, or shut up. You've officially been called out.

[vasponger]

A resonator? Hmm what exactly is that and isnt backpressure the enemy at higher rpms? Also, does putting on a staight pipe(test pipe) in place of the catalytic converter hurt performance, and yes the engine light comes on because there is no hole for the O2 sensor.


yes is does hurt at high rpms, but hondas need as much tq as they can get which the resonator creates

[POS_ACCORD_96]

But accords dont have resonators and where would one go?

[94JDMlover]

Yes they do. It's on the mid-section of the exhaust.

[Ricanstylz00]

With those mods on a SOHC non-VTec 2.2 liter 4 cylinder engine, he should be putting about 200hp to the ground. I, for one, call bullshit. Anybody can make stuff up to sound good on the internet. Show me a dyno slip or shut up. Moreover, show me pictures of the car and engine that's producing this claimed 260whp. There's a local import shop near me that's running a fully race-prepped turbocharged B18C1, and they're only claiming 280whp. You're telling me that those simple all-motor mods are putting a single cam motor near that? Also, all those mods and all that supposed power and torque, but you're still running stock pistons and rods? Man, I can smell that Seattle Bullshit all the way in Cincinnati. I checked out your website. The only dyno sheet you've got posted there shows about 126whp and about 136 ft./lbs, not to mention that neither the car nor the engine look terribly impressive either.

Again, prove it with pictures and dyno slips, or shut up. You've officially been called out.

Where is the dyno sheet?

[POS_ACCORD_96]

Yes they do. It's on the mid-section of the exhaust.

isnt that the flex pipe, and if there is a resonator why would you put one on?

[Liltroy]

OH F**K IT!!!!!!!! I wanna see a dyno sheet too!!!!! Or at least a 13 sec time slip....LOL.

[94JDMlover]

Where is the dyno sheet? The only one I found was in the gallery section of information for the Accord. They're huge, so here's links to the dyno pictures:

http://www.twistedframe.com/Art/Images/Personal/Car/Dyno01.gif
http://www.twistedframe.com/Art/Images/Personal/Car/Dyno02.gif

isnt that the flex pipe, and if there is a resonator why would you put one on? Sorry, I wasn't referring to stock exhaust. My Apex-i WS exhaust has a resonator in the mid-section.

[vasponger]

my stock has a resonator

[Ricanstylz00]

Pretty impressive stats on the dyno. Must've had major vinyl installed. lol

[quickestNAaccord]

Did you guys look at his mod list or the first one on the page he listed?I dont know about 260whp but heres his list and he should be somewhere close to that.

Walbro 255 Lph Fuel Pump AEM Cold Air Intake
Alcohol / Water Injection
DC Sports 4-2-1 Header
MagnaFlow Catback System
Accel 8mm Sparkplug Wires
JetChip ECU Upgrade
MSD SCI Ignition
MSD Blaster Cap
MSD Blaster SS Coil
Denso Iridium Spark Plugs
AEM TruTime Adjustable Cam Gear
Stinger Race Cam
Low Temp 160° Thermostat
Valve cover breather
Cosmo underdrive crank pulley
VENOM Performance Control Module
Port/Polished Head w/Racing Valve Grind and High Compression Chambers
Port/Polished Intake Manifold
Bullfrog BigBore Throttle Body
WeaponR Throttle Rotor
Helix 1" Throttle Body Spacer
AEM Fuel Filter

Adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator
AEM High Flow Fuel Rail
Accel 260cc Fuel Injectors

Eibach Sportline Springs
Tokico Gas Struts
Front Strut Tower Bar
Rear Upper and Lower Strut Tower Bars
Khumo KH-11 Tires

Stainless Braided Hose Covers
Split loom wire sleeving
Painted Engine Parts and Skirts
Eyebrows and Pedals
JDM Front Corner Lights
JDM TypeR Grille
Short Shift Adapter
AutoMeter Air/Fuel Ratio Guage
Custom six digit kill switch
Bypassed power steering
Console mounted fire extinguisher

at least I THINK he should be close.Matter oh fact, I 'm copying most of his mods.Soon as I get rich,lol.
260WHP.... BS. plain and simple. His injector size alone will not support that WHP. Not trying to dog him, but people are sadly missinformed.

[quickestNAaccord]

yes is does hurt at high rpms, but hondas need as much tq as they can get which the resonator creates
Then why does opening up te exaust system actually make torque on a dyno? Unfortunately what you are saying is missinforming.

[AccordEx]

very hard to belieive to have 260WHP out of a NA F22 engine.....

[quickestNAaccord]

very hard to belieive to have 260WHP out of a NA F22 engine.....
I have a much smaller list of mods for my H22 and it is built... I don't make 260whp either, but I was close.

[vasponger]

i dunno i guess its different for all cars, i made slightly less tq when i opened mine up some.

[quickestNAaccord]

i dunno i guess its different for all cars, i made slightly less tq when i opened mine up some.
You made more HP right? or did you lose here as well? Most of the time as HP increases so does TQ, since they are relative.

[vasponger]

nah i had more hp and less tq on my second pull.

[quickestNAaccord]

nah i had more hp and less tq on my second pull.
So was the loss of TQ across the whole rev band, or just peak TQ?

[slotec95]

Are you running stock compression on this 260whp accord? All of that stuff sounds decent but tough to believe it putting that much horsepower out.If you are still out racing stock V6 passat then you need some better competition.You can bring that 'monster' down here and run me if you make that much damn horsepwer!

[H22accord]

Are you running stock compression on this 260whp accord? All of that stuff sounds decent but tough to believe it putting that much horsepower out.If you are still out racing stock V6 passat then you need some better competition.You can bring that 'monster' down here and run me if you make that much damn horsepwer!

where have you been? this thread has been dead for well over a year.

[slotec95]

i dunno, guess one to many miller lites tonight

[H22accord]

damn, i need to catch up I haven't even started yet. I am leaving for the bar in about a half hour.

[slotec95]

yeah that sounds good, do you happen to know where i can find an H22 throttle body

[2DrAccord]

i'm running everything this guy is running minus the head work and alcohol injection on my h22a and i'm now where near 260. I'll be lucky if i'm putting out 195 n/a hp. I call bs!

[RiceFreeAccord]

When you were talking about the Tornado system, is that the piece that goes into an air intake that spins the air faster? Or is it like a chip system??

Mike

[5peedCoupe]

When you were talking about the Tornado system, is that the piece that goes into an air intake that spins the air faster? Or is it like a chip system??

Mike

that thing is usless.. it slows air flow down..

[Twistedframe]

haha, well I guess I should check this board more often, but I kinda stopped when I got my 350Z. That other hp rating was a typO by the way. I'm usually pretty damn good about catching that kind of stuff, but not that day apparently.

160 whp is what the car is making. Not one Nm more.

Or in other terms it's making:

119.312 Kilowatts -or-
119312 Watts -or-
6791.196 BTU / min -or-
5280000 Ft lb / min -or-
28522.54 Calories / sec

Basically the car couldn't get out of its own way if it wanted to. Well, that's not exactly true either, it's really fast for a heavy assed, four cylinder family car that was never meant to make more than 90 hp to begin with :p

I've stripped it out on the interior and I use it mainly like a farm truck now, just hauling around crap and whatever else nonsense I can squeeze into it. I realized that I was trying to make that car into something that it would never be. A SPORTS CAR. Doesnt matter how much money you waste on it; $100, $1,000, $100,000 it's still a honda. Not saying that Honda's are no good, I'm saying it's STILL a honda. People tell me to put a H22 in it all the time, and I say the same, WHY? Why in the world would I want to put a prelude engine in it when I could just BUY a damn prelude (which is lighter, has better handling and is let's say a "sports car" for that matter) It's like putting an F-14 engine into a Cessna 172 and then calling it a fighter plane.. Or gold-plating and polishing a turd. Why? It just makes no sense to try to make something into something else when you can just get that other thing in the first place and have better results.

Sorry to mislead on numbers, didn't mean to... Seriously though, this thread shouldn't have gone on for so long about some arbitrary numbers that people in the first place know to not be true but still held out hope for the fact that I was using some element or fuel unbeknown to man and you were hoping to get your hands on some of what I had. That's just not the case here.

If I had, I would use some 115 and just bend the space time continuum and bring point B over to me at point A and be done with the whole "speed" thing all together.

[2DrAccord]

Wait. Isn't an H22 the 200hp prelude engine??

IT ALREADY HAS 200hp!!! If you can't get a measly 60 more out, then you're doing something wrong.

You want to know how I did it?

COMPRESSION COMPRESSION COMPRESSION

For every point of compression you add, you can expect roughly 20HP!

Mill the head, and add a cam, then see what it does.

I will give all my specs and dyno info when I finish reworking my website.

patience friend :)

BTW- My F22 eats preludes for any meal of the day ;)

ahh, its down to a typo now. doens't sound like it in the post above. oh well.

[H22accord]

haha, well I guess I should check this board more often, but I kinda stopped when I got my 350Z. That other hp rating was a typO by the way. I'm usually pretty damn good about catching that kind of stuff, but not that day apparently.

160 whp is what the car is making. Not one Nm more.

Or in other terms it's making:

119.312 Kilowatts -or-
119312 Watts -or-
6791.196 BTU / min -or-
5280000 Ft lb / min -or-
28522.54 Calories / sec

Basically the car couldn't get out of its own way if it wanted to. Well, that's not exactly true either, it's really fast for a heavy assed, four cylinder family car that was never meant to make more than 90 hp to begin with :p

I've stripped it out on the interior and I use it mainly like a farm truck now, just hauling around crap and whatever else nonsense I can squeeze into it. I realized that I was trying to make that car into something that it would never be. A SPORTS CAR. Doesnt matter how much money you waste on it; $100, $1,000, $100,000 it's still a honda. Not saying that Honda's are no good, I'm saying it's STILL a honda. People tell me to put a H22 in it all the time, and I say the same, WHY? Why in the world would I want to put a prelude engine in it when I could just BUY a damn prelude (which is lighter, has better handling and is let's say a "sports car" for that matter) It's like putting an F-14 engine into a Cessna 172 and then calling it a fighter plane.. Or gold-plating and polishing a turd. Why? It just makes no sense to try to make something into something else when you can just get that other thing in the first place and have better results.

Sorry to mislead on numbers, didn't mean to... Seriously though, this thread shouldn't have gone on for so long about some arbitrary numbers that people in the first place know to not be true but still held out hope for the fact that I was using some element or fuel unbeknown to man and you were hoping to get your hands on some of what I had. That's just not the case here.

If I had, I would use some 115 and just bend the space time continuum and bring point B over to me at point A and be done with the whole "speed" thing all together.

Well damn if that be the case why do you see hondas with less then 8 grand in them spanking high end "sports cars"? Stock for stock yeah a "sports car" is set up for speed while a honda isn't as much. But why spend 30 grand for a "sports car" or something of that sort when you can build something so much faster for less then half that?

[jbaccord]

You want to know how I did it?

COMPRESSION COMPRESSION COMPRESSION

For every point of compression you add, you can expect roughly 20HP!

Really!? So please do explain why on the average the big difference between a USDM Honda engine and JDM engine is roughly .5 in compression, yet they only tend to make 10-20 more horses? By your math I get that there should be 100 more ponies prancing under the hood. Now this will be another typo and he'll say that its for every additional Compression # not point. That I'll buy, however the highest and safest compression ratio for almost any vechicle is a 12.0:1-12.5:1 compression ratio. So once again using your math and typo you would be running at least one of these #'s if not higher. I'm sure you managed this wonderful feat on 87octane as well, right?

[Liltroy]

lol, threads been dead for a year and he's still getting dogged on,lol. Now thats some funny shit!!!

[Velocifero]

actually, preludes are heavier by about 800 lbs. (gross vehicle weight). the cause is their more reinforced frame. if everything was the same on both cars, the accord would win.

[AccordEx]

He seem to have got cocky there after getting that Z... :saad:

[birdman]

very hard to belieive to have 260WHP out of a NA F22 engine.....

yah, 200whp seems more realistic for an NA f22 w/ a gude package and ecu tuned.

[quickestNAaccord]

Here is 260whp from an H22...

My set up as of 12/03/05:

Car: 1990 Accord 4 door Lx

Engine Block: '93 H22a "bored and stroked" to 2.44ltrs of displacement built by Collective Racing. Custom 98mm Crank, 89mm Darton sleeves, Crower Pro-billet rods, 12/1 compression 89mm JE pistons, Prodrive oil pump, ATR crank pulley, manual timing belt tensioner conversion, ARP main studs.

Cylinder head: Portwork by Collective Racing, Web Cams camshafts (89/267), Web Cams springs and Titainium retainers, ITR LMAs, 50mm TWM ITBs, Hondata intake manifold gasket, RC engineering 440cc Fuel injectors, STR cam seal, STR cam gears, RMF 4-1 header, ARP head studs, Cometic head gasket.

Transmission: T2T4, prodrive 4.7 FD, carbon synchros

Misc: NGK wires, NepTune engine management, 2 1/2" crunch bent exaust

I did a cylinder leakage test on 12/02/05 which was 3% across the board. Compression test was 240Psi +/- 5psi across the board. This engine to date has (still, due to lack of driving recently) 56K miles on it.


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I am posting in lieu of recent "controversy" over mods done to my car. I have remained silent about recent events as to let the figures and the actions of individuals involved speak for themselves.

Today at Locash Racing, Joe tested (bolt on only) my new version of a RMF header built for my car. I will only be comparing this new header to the previous RMF header.

This header looks very similiar to the EG race header that Randy has pictured at IPH, however it is fitted to my car. Seat of the pants felt absolutely KILLER!

Randy and I drove the car to Locash racing for a PRELIMINARY TEST. NO FUEL TUNING WAS DONE. The header made more peak HP and peak TQ than his last design. The intake temps were controlled by Joe and he tried to keep them as close to the previous testing temps as possible. I believe todays intake temps were slightly higher than before. Also, the A/F was really rich.

This header peaked out at 260hp and 201tq (open header). The header is not 100% finished and this test was only to serve as "data gathering" for Randy. A few changes are to be made and at that point the header will then be tuned with a full exaust.

I will post more information as soon as I recieve it from Locash.


I want to thank Randy for his help on this project and Joe Sawyer for the use of his tuning facility. :thumbup: