ground kits

[jaccord96]

so yeah, i was previously posting in the old forum about this project.... any way, i did this mod for my car and i love it. :p no more hard starts, sterio is louder, idle is smoother ;) , i swear more torq, headlights dont dim when the bass hits , and my rpms dont drop at idle from my system.

saposedly it dosnt give more power to anything but unleashes more potential from everything electrical....fuel controle, plugs, computers, alternater, sterio, lights, ect ect ect. power that is lost from poor factory grounds that have eight years of corosion.i am happiest with this mod and it was the least expensive :D
any body else tried this? curiose bout other peoples gains.....

[vasponger]

what did you do again? sounds like a win-win mod

[jaccord96]

i did a diy ground wire kit, like the hks circle earth system.....here are some dyno results i have found: http://www.importtuner.com/tech/0308it_pptalon/

http://www.se-r-list.org/new-archives/Week-of-Mon-20030317/013051.html
http://www.turbomagazine.com/tech/0310tur_integra/

[vasponger]

cool, maybe ill look into doin this soon

[jaccord96]

here is the info link from my origanal post:
http://www.ivtecdaily.com/rsx/mods/groundWires.html
i recomend this to everyone....

[jdmaccordbo!916]

so then you would say that it is deffinatly something to do if you were trying to release some restricted power back into your car...

[TheFirstNutZo]

makes sense, I'll have to do that to my car as soon as I get a chance to go into town and pick up the necessary wires and I'll probably put a nice distributor block in there too. Thanks for the info! BTW what can we call you? jaccord96 just isn't personal. I'm Daniel, and vasponger, is Justin (I am ALMOST positive thats his name :) )

[jdmaccordbo!916]

again, phil/justin thanks for your help with the sign in problem... glad that i can get back on here once again.. bye the way, anyone that dont know me yet my name is kevin..

[vasponger]

fo shizzle my nizzle

[TheFirstNutZo]

Kevin... I'll try to remember that :) don't get your hopes up though my memory sucks sometimes.

[vasponger]

its KK! shes a hotty, kevin im working on yours!

[TheFirstNutZo]

If you know of a better pic of her, or how to make transparent edges I welcome refinement on my avatar, but I've never had one before so I figured it was just about time to get me one. I had a "Copyright Reform" one up for a few minutes but decided it wasn't in keeping with the theme of this place so changed over to that :)

[vasponger]

yeah kevins going to have one of some hot chick soon too
i think i might have to go find a mila kunis one :D

[TheFirstNutZo]

make one of Mira Sorvino too. hehe, we oughta register AccordRacing.com's sidekick... HeavenlyAvatars.com :)

[jaccord96]

makes sense, I'll have to do that to my car as soon as I get a chance to go into town and pick up the necessary wires and I'll probably put a nice distributor block in there too. Thanks for the info! BTW what can we call you? jaccord96 just isn't personal. I'm Daniel, and vasponger, is Justin (I am ALMOST positive thats his name :) )


ha mah names JOSH nice to meet you Daniel and Justin :D

[TheFirstNutZo]

likewise :) did you have a different name on the old AR.com, or are you new to our fine forum?

[vasponger]

nah i remember that name he was there i think he just hung out in the 5th gen forum

[TheFirstNutZo]

that would just about do it :) I never ONCE went in there. Stayed to my 90-93 section :)

[vasponger]

yeah i hung around the 4th and 5th gen pretty much

[jdmaccordbo!916]

justin.. i think that me an you were the only two that ventured out of the 5th gen section an into the 4th gen area...lol.. that was tight though, remember when me an pat would teas the hell out of repeat for his engine dressup..
(i still think it looked like liqurish to this day..) lmao..

[vasponger]

yeah and yall wanted to eat it and pat wanted to hump it

[TheFirstNutZo]

I remember that :) I wonder when repeat is going to get his butt back on here.

[TheFirstNutZo]

that was some funny shit :)

[jdmaccordbo!916]

yeah pat wanted to see what a 6000 rpm rev felt like while humping the intake...lmao... good times..

[TheFirstNutZo]

just don't get it pinched in the throttle body when it comes down off of the 6000rpm rev... thats all I have to say 'bout that.

[jdmaccordbo!916]

man what ever happened to pat... does anyone know if hes been doing anything to his drag car lattley..??

[TheFirstNutZo]

he has been REALLY busy with his car business. He purchased a "frankenstein" engine (hybrid H22 and H23 engine) that he estimated to be cranking about 270HP. he's going to put that in his racer. Lately he's been driving another accord, with a F22A4 in it, and he sold one of his H22s cuz he had to move and needed some money. So now he lives about 30 mins outside of richmond in a nice backwoods place.

[vasponger]

yeah hes still like 2 1/2 hrs from me, he was working on myposaccord's h22 last time i head

[jdmaccordbo!916]

yeah if i lived out that way, i would have him work on my car as well... but im stuck out here in boring ass sacramento cali...

[TheFirstNutZo]

yeah he's working on Chris's H22... they are having trouble with the head being chock full of sut and shit and it won't get going. Last time I talked to Chris he said it was down to a timing issue of some sort, so I dunno whats going on with that now. I should give him a call and see whats up.

[vasponger]

yeah tellum the sites back up, va reppresent!

[TheFirstNutZo]

heh, he's MD remember?

[vasponger]

heh, he's MD remember?

yeah but i let him join anyways...

[jaccord96]

likewise :) did you have a different name on the old AR.com, or are you new to our fine forum?

hey i was part of the old forum for over a year, never posted much till recently when i hurt my back....mostly in the 5th gen but did post quite a few in the 4th.....not much action in there..but ive been current in the 5th realm of things for some time... probly just one of those names you dsont recognise as well as like vasponger....or thefirstnutso peace

[jaccord96]

damn good at getting off subject u 2

[matts]

damn good at getting off subject u 2

yea, no kidding. anyway, have you heard anything about other wiring kits, like different brand names. i'd assume they are all very similar, but i don't know.

[jdmaccordbo!916]

jaccord96.. i recognise the name.. i think i actualy talked to you a few times in the old forum areas...

but ya back to the subject at hand.. grounding kits... what else can be benafited from these kits, has anyone phisicaly done them to there cars yet, an have you done any dynos with it on there... i am willing to do this to my car here when i get it back, but i need alot more info on it... an i need step by step scamatics on what goes where an so on an so forth... (i want every bit of stollen/lost power to be given back to my car)...

[jaccord96]

yeah, most of these kits are all the same..... same results anyway. basicaly the more grounds the better, but i read running a ground off you dist. actualy caused a loss of power. i did mine with blue 8 gauge amp wire, with ring teminals on the ends with some shrink wrap to make it look real good. ran one from my battery to radiator mount, then daisy chained the rest from the battery to the transmission to the valve cover(left side) to the throttle body, to the driverside shock mount, to the alternater ground to the block to the alternater...... works real good.... you only need 8 ft of wire, and pre mesure with some string.....cost me hardly anything, took only 2 hours and i got more noticable gains than with my cai. realy wanna hear what others have gained... ive read up to ten hp/torq,, but that was on other cars........anybody?

[jdmaccordbo!916]

so what, did the ground wires all just tie in together at the battery, or was there a special fitting that you used to conect them to it... (such as was there a relay or anything, or did it come directly off the battery terminal...) an also are the wires all visable, cause i dont want insane amounts of wires all over the engine bay if you know what i mean.. i want my car to look good, not getto...

[jaccord96]

so what, did the ground wires all just tie in together at the battery, or was there a special fitting that you used to conect them to it... (such as was there a relay or anything, or did it come directly off the battery terminal...) an also are the wires all visable, cause i dont want insane amounts of wires all over the engine bay if you know what i mean.. i want my car to look good, not getto...

no i daisy chained em... where one stopped i started a nother... deffinatly dont look ghetto...looks good... i ran colored wire to go with my engin accents. wish i had a diggi camera so i could sho u all my ride

[jdmaccordbo!916]

oh ok i got it.. so then you did not run each wire off of the battery terminal then, you ran one, an then started the next were the last one started... got it... :D

[matts]

can you explain in a little more detail the places that you ran the wire? i was thinking about buying one of those kits, which would obviously come with some istructions, but it would be much cheaper to just get some power wires, and put my own terminals on.

[jdmaccordbo!916]

ya that is what im thinking (just buying the supplies that i need)... saving money is always a good thing.... uspeacialy when you are trying to save money to buy something bigger for your ride (motor swap etc)..

[jaccord96]

can you explain in a little more detail the places that you ran the wire? i was thinking about buying one of those kits, which would obviously come with some istructions, but it would be much cheaper to just get some power wires, and put my own terminals on.

battery to radiator mount, then daisy chained the rest from the battery to the transmission to the valve cover(left side) to the throttle body, to the driverside shock mount, to the alternater ground to the block to the alternater......

theses are the places that i ran mine... just get it in the vicinity, and it will do the job. here is a pic of the grounding points for an evo
http://www.purplenv.ca/misc/hyper3.jpg

[matts]

sweet, thanks a lot. i'll probably try that this winter.
one more question though. do you know what size wire they use in the kit? you said you used 8 guage. do you think there would be any benefit to using 4 guage? i even saw some new amps that call for 2 guage wire. thats just rediculous.

[jdmaccordbo!916]

i was thinking aobut using the gold platted wires used for speakers an such, since gold is the best conducter of energy.... but that might be a little more pricy, but iim sure it would be worth it though...

[TheFirstNutZo]

i was thinking aobut using the gold platted wires used for speakers an such, since gold is the best conducter of energy.... but that might be a little more pricy, but iim sure it would be worth it though...
actually silver is a better conductor than gold is, technically. :-D

[jaccord96]

the kits use copper or silver wire, most i believe are 8gauge... i used phenix gold copper with a strand count of like 750... more than adequit. the hks kits on ebay have a good pictur of the final product.. i believe they use the same type of wire. 4 gauge would be overkill i believe.

[TheFirstNutZo]

yeah 4 guage wire is some bigass stuff (thats what I ran to the trunk of my car)... I can't imagine it being necessary for most of those motor mounts.

[jaccord96]

yeah 4 guage wire is some bigass stuff (thats what I ran to the trunk of my car)... I can't imagine it being necessary for most of those motor mounts.

yeah, i think it would be a lot harder to work with, since were talking one foot pieces mostly. it wouldnt be as workable/flexable

[matts]

so you think 8 guage would be enough/ still workable?

[jaccord96]

so you think 8 guage would be enough/ still workable?
thats what i used..

[TheFirstNutZo]

If you don't think 8 guage is enough, run two of 'em parallel to whatever spots you think need that much juice. 8 guage wire is generally rated around 1000 watts, and since it is that short probably more than that.. I don't think the engine runs anywhere near that much power.

[TheFirstNutZo]

just make sure you get GOOD contacts, shitty contacts aren't going to help you in this case. .. make the connections clean, crisp, and in line with the guage wire you use. I would think thats about right :)

[matts]

are there better connections than the ones with the wire sleeve on one end and a ring on the other?

[jaccord96]

those are the ones most use.....just sand the grounding point to bare metal before bolting it on.

[jaccord96]

i pulled the plastic off the end and shrink tubed it to look better

[jdmaccordbo!916]

actually silver is a better conductor than gold is, technically. :-D
i dunno, i just figure since the components inside of the srs system are all gold plated then it must have been something to do with good electrical flow.. but hay if silver is better than i retract my last statment, an fill it in with silver coated wires instead....heheheheh

[TheFirstNutZo]

silver is better, but there is some reason or other for why you shouldn't use it.. I think silver corrodes faster than gold, so in a theoretical sense silver is better but when it comes to every day use, gold will have good connections for longer.. or something like that. I was just being a nitpicky ass :)

[jdmaccordbo!916]

ya sure you were... lol.. just playin.. at least it gave me somehting to think about.. ill talk to a few shops i know an see what they would suggest to use...

[Infini Omega]

haha nitpicky

[TheFirstNutZo]

ya sure you were... lol.. just playin.. at least it gave me somehting to think about.. ill talk to a few shops i know an see what they would suggest to use...
sounds like a plan! I don't think silver is used much, although I think its that corrosive issue I was talking about I really don't know.. but I do know that technically silver is a better connector but since its cheaper than gold and nobody ever uses it there must be a good reason.

[Carreragt2e]

Intresting conversation going on here. sorta. :cool:

[matts]

ok, at room temperature, silver is the best conductor, followed by copper, then gold.
i know, i wouldn't have thought that either, but i found it studying for my materials exam.

[jaccord96]

so under the heat of an engin, would copper be the best? is that why all the stock grounds are copper?

[matts]

no, i think silver is still better, but copper is just cheaper

[Carreragt2e]

I perfer the bling bling you know make the car look really cool but not fast or practical at all........ um right. shoot me now.

[vasponger]

:Pow: there ya go

[keoki]

Intresting conversation going on here. sorta. :cool:
so long everyone is having fun :D

[jdmaccordbo!916]

so if copper is the most efective to use an then silver is next in line, then i still wonder why they use 24k gold to coat the componets in the SRS sensors... that makes me wonder now even more... huuummmm

[Carreragt2e]

LOL, I just noticed some people are using some quotes of mine.. Thats sweet as tits.

[jdmaccordbo!916]

hehehe you must be talking aobut vas...

[vasponger]

what can i say it was funny as hell

[TheFirstNutZo]

I knew it :) so why isn't copper used?

[matts]

why use copper when you can use gold??? it's like the difference between light not-so-bling-rims vs. some big heavy dubs

[TheFirstNutZo]

I don't quite understand that analogy.

Copper is nearly as good of a conductor as gold, gold weighs a shitload more and costs a shitload more. Regarding the rims, I personaly don't want shiny-ass rims, they stand out too much I want like gunmetal colored rims whenever I get around to buying a set.

[matts]

the analogy was that shiny things (gold) are more popular than functional things (copper).

[TheFirstNutZo]

the analogy was that shiny things (gold) are more popular than functional things (copper).
oh, I thought you were trying to argue the other way around and it didn't make any sense! In that case I totally agree with you :) Copper is da shit.

[jdmaccordbo!916]

I want like gunmetal colored rims whenever I get around to buying a set.
why not just take whatever you got now, an getting them powder coated, or even paint them yourself.. it will save you money... thats what i did...

[TheFirstNutZo]

I have the stock 93 EX rims, they ARE alloy, but not very nice looking. I was thinking about getting some 95 EX rims and then getting them powdered or paint 'em myself. I like the look of those rims :)

[jaccord96]

or try the 93 se rims, that what i have on my 96..(got em off a bud with tires for 75 bucks)

[jaccord96]

so is anybody ganna try this ground kit? or just talk about it......it only takes bout 2 hours...cammon, i wanna hear bout your gains

[TheFirstNutZo]

I will I haven't gotten around to it finals are this week. YOU do it ya lazy dutch bastard ;-)

[jaccord96]

how u know im duch? j/k

[TheFirstNutZo]

its a hunch. Either dutch bastard or commie bastard those are the only names I call people usually, and I certainly can't just... not call names... that would be boring :)

[jdmaccordbo!916]

well im going to do it myself, but i have to wait untile i buy my paint an a few other things though first.. so it might be another couple of weeks for me if i do it at all.. though i would love to get some of my lost power back....

[jaccord96]

i think im proly both of those., along with every thing else... im a mutt. you bitch about having no time cus its finals week, yet you have nearly 300 posts? cumon.. you have to make time for your accord.

[jaccord96]

its kinda like havin kids....

[TheFirstNutZo]

yeah well I study on my computer so I'm here when posts occur. I don't have like 3 hours to go outside and work on my accord... in the last month I've probably put in about 40-50 hours wrench time which ain't bad at all. I'm a mutt too I think most all of us are.

[TheFirstNutZo]

its kinda like havin kids....
but without the labor .... and the PMS of your wife :-D

[TheFirstNutZo]

wow I'm a chauvenistic pig on here maybe I should back off a bit heheh

[matts]

anyway- i'm going to try it when i get home after finals. i don't really have a job, so i'll have nothing else to do.

[TheFirstNutZo]

cool let us know how it goes. Good luck wit it :) oh and if you have a digi cam, take some pictures too.

[DEaccord95]

yeah pictures are the ish.

[jaccord96]

i happen to know that my g/f is getting a diggi cam in 3 days for her b day,.... finaly i can post some pics of my ride!

[TheFirstNutZo]

i happen to know that my g/f is getting a diggi cam in 3 days for her b day,.... finaly i can post some pics of my ride!
that be good news. Digicams are very useful.

[jdmaccordbo!916]

im going to try an get those pics takin tommorw, an hopefully they will be up this weekend... fingers crossed...

[DEaccord95]

Is there a members ride area on this site anymore? I know before they had a seperate part for it, but i havn't looked for it yet on the new forum. If not, we should probably suggest one....

[jdmaccordbo!916]

Is there a members ride area on this site anymore? I know before they had a seperate part for it, but i havn't looked for it yet on the new forum. If not, we should probably suggest one....
no there is not one yet... phil was saying that he wants to have it worked into are profile somehow.. (or something like that).. but that i know of we dont have that section yet... i was telling him that we should do it for those that have like so many posts, that way the guys that sign on to just post there cars an never comeback on again dont wast the thread space... but im going to just post pics up in a new thread in the tech room forum an he can do with it what hey may, just as long as he dont eras it..lol

[TheFirstNutZo]

if he erases it you can always post it again :) yeah we and phil have got some great ideas its just a matter of time before they get implemented phil's a busy guy.

[jdmaccordbo!916]

hehehe i could repost it if he did that, but i think that it would piss him off if i did it again.. you know...lol

[TheFirstNutZo]

maybe so. Try it and find out :) thats what I always say... hehe

[CNU94Accord]

hey sry to direct this thread back to the topic, i know how yall hate that but...im doing it anyway. is there any risk at installing these grounds? i mean can u screw up ur car by doing this. i read somewhere, maybe a link one of u put up, that they had a fire in the engine? i dont remember if it was because of the wires or something they did, but seriuosly, i dont like fire with cars. cuz for $100 bux about id consider doing this, and it would be a great saturday day thing to do. so let me know

[TheFirstNutZo]

you could have an engine fire if you used to small of wires and they overheated and lit on fire, which lit maybe some leaked oil, which got hot and warped the head which spilled more oil and gas, and eventually totally destroyed the engine.

However as long as you use high-strand 8ga wire you oughta be fine.

[matts]

and if you do all of it yourself it'll cost much less than $100.

[jaccord96]

you could have an engine fire if you used to small of wires and they overheated and lit on fire, which lit maybe some leaked oil, which got hot and warped the head which spilled more oil and gas, and eventually totally destroyed the engine.

However as long as you use high-strand 8ga wire you oughta be fine.

just leave all of your old grounds intact.the curent will find the easiest rout to follow, and if its not your new wires, then it can follow the old.(it should be the new wires though). this is pretty much a no brainer. there is realy no way to hurt anything.

8 ft of wire @1.00 a foot = 8.00
shrink tube for the ends = 2.00
8 gauge ring terminals = 2.00
a noticable improvment for under 12.bucks= priceless

[TheFirstNutZo]

yeah.... what he said. :) If I do it I'm probably going to rip out (at least some of) the old wiring just because its ugly.

[jdmaccordbo!916]

if i do it im thinking of not only ripping out some of the old wiering an redoing it, but im going to try an run it all into one/two lines at the most... elimante alot of the caos that is going on in the engine.. make it more eye apeuling....

[TheFirstNutZo]

yeah thats what I was thinking. There is a LOT of wires bouncing around the engine bay, if that chaos can get cleared up that'd be pretty awesome.

[jdmaccordbo!916]

agreed, we should try an come up with some sort of custom kit for doing this type of stuff...
there was another idea that was brought up in th old forum some time back... it was asking if it would be possible to take that heat resistant clear tubbing an use that as your hoses an lines that carry fluids an such... for show perpose that is... that would look realy weired but crazy at the same time... you get what im tryin to say here..??

[TheFirstNutZo]

Either custom kit, or just tutorials. I can do most of this stuff myself, (and probably am about like tha rest of you), as long as I either really understand the concept, or I just have pics and wording to follow along with and then of course the ability to ask further questions if I get my ass hung up.

So we just gotta post back with the stuff we try. If you don't have a digital camera, save up a bit of cash and buy one (you can get 'em for damn cheap now, you don't need a good one you just need to make snapshots you can probably get one for like $20-40)

[jdmaccordbo!916]

walmart digital cameras starting at $18.78

[TheFirstNutZo]

walmart digital cameras starting at $18.78
yeah... thats what I'm talking about just buy a shit one and use it for snapshots. Don't need a zoom, just need a camera.

[jdmaccordbo!916]

ya but im a sucker, i bought one of the good ones for like $375.00 hehehe but it is tite though.. i can take it to the track an record when ever i get around to running my car.. it records 50 seconds... wooo whoooo...

[TheFirstNutZo]

mine was like $180, only does 20 seconds and no sound but thats what I have a video camera for :)

[jdmaccordbo!916]

ya i got one of those as well

[TheFirstNutZo]

they are so useful, cameras kick ass both analog and digital, still and motion.

[vasponger]

i wish i had a camera tonight to capture my sound

[matts]

with all of these digital camera around would someone mind taking a picture of their ground wires kit and either posting it, or sending me an e-mail. i'm gonna do this at the end of the week (after finals) and i want to get an idea of where exactly to attach these wire to. and also, where do you get the shrink tubing? i don't think i've ever seen it.
thanks guys, i might be missing for a few days at a time, but i've got some intense tests coming up.

[TheFirstNutZo]

thats alright I understand the priorities, the forum can wait 48 hours, final cramming cannot.

[matts]

ok- i did my ground wires today.
10ft 8g wire - $15 (circuit city is a rip off, but it's good wire)
12 crimp on ends - $3 (home depot - not the best ends, but better than $4/end at circuit city)

i ran 6 wires.
battery(-) to passenger side frame
battery -> passenger side of the motor -> intake manifold -> firewall -> alternator -> divers side frame

i drove it, and heres what i noticed. stereo noise signifigantly reduced. when the cd player was on, but real quiet you used to be able to hear the alternator, but not anymore.
maybe a slight power gain. not much, but what do you expect from $20.
the motor seemed to warm up almost instantly. not temperature wise, but how it keeps the revs higher when you first start the motor, they were down a little.
once i was driving it seemed really smooth.

i reset the ecu, and i'm going to drive to work in an hour or so. i'll let you know.

i'll also have some engine bay pics when i get my strut bar, and cai installed.

[jdmaccordbo!916]

good deal.. let me know, cause im going to do this for shure if it works out well.. i just didnt wanna be the guinee pig... :p

[TheFirstNutZo]

That stereo noise issue is reason enough in itself to get that done. I'ma hafta get on that soon :)

[matts]

ok, with the ecu reset, and driving it around for a day i really like what has happened. again, not much power gain, but maybe a little. but all together a quieter running car. i'm not sure if this is coincedence, or what, but with my subs facing the rear seat everything used to virbrate like hell when the sound was cranked up, most of that has gone away.

[midnite racer x]

sorry i never saw this thread b4 but i installed some R-1 grounding wires a long time ago maybe like 8 months ago almost i think. I'm running about 8 wires or so, whater came with the kit. There was also a central control block that came with the kit that i connected to the firewall if u want pix just ask and i'll post them. The main thing i'd really like to do is test grounding points against hp gains cause it does matter where u ground the wires. I know for sure they have to be grounded to the intake mani, the head, valve cover, firewall, frame, battery, and block itself which is rather hard to get to without taking off the intake mani